Spark up Smiffy!
Politicians have no shame. Well, that's not news. The press in the UK have created a moral panic over cannabis. A couple of studies showed a correlation between heavy cannabis use in teens and increased mental disorder. The effect is small and arguably confined to high-risk adolescents. Home secretary Jacqui Smith said she smoked cannabis as a student and it was wrong.But oh so right, eh Jacks?
Smith says that we have to crack down on the evil reefer because we have made progress in cutting the use of cannabis and the "sort of crime related to wider drug use".
One presumes Smith is not referring to the many crimes committed by those under the influence of the drug ethanol.
No, it's the same old dreary shit. Reefer madness and gateways to smack. Ya-hawn!
Drugscope, a charity, pointed out that another reclassification would confuse young people. But they are not confused. They know Smith and her kind are bullshitting. They don't believe for an instant that cannabis is harmful. They've never known anyone to be harmed by it, and they've seen plenty of harm caused by booze. They just think the wowsers want to spoil their party. And they're right. Proscriptions on drugs are based in people's belief that their own morality should apply to others, the same reason that Americans insist on voting to prevent gays from getting married.
The police are reported by the Guardian to be cautious. Well, the police are often pragmatic. They wanted pot downgraded in the first place because it was such a waste of time to nick people for possession, and they are well aware of what society's ills can be ascribed to.
You know, if we gave a shit about people's health, we'd ban booze and fags. Luckily we don't. Unluckily we'll pretend we do to stop the kids from enjoying a joint.
posted by Dr Zen @ 10:32 am
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Like you keep stating figures can be deceptive, weed (skunk)is on average 4 times stronger than it was when you were a kid. Its fucked my nephews head up and my nieces boyfriends too as well as some of my daughters friends. They start much younger these days. I suspect that if it wasn't so strong there would not be such a rise in mental health issues. They do exist. You will of course disagree, but then you are not in the middle of it.
You have to consider that your nephew was already fucked up, Gunt.
I smoke today's weed, Gunty, and yes, it's a lot stronger. Which is fanfuckingtastic actually.
Here's another thing to consider: 20 years ago, if a kid went to the doctor complaining of depression, the doctor would send him or her packing. Now he'll diagnose them with a mental illness, refer them to a psychiatrist, and the latter will throw heavy-duty psychoactives at it. If you're not fucked up before you're on the meds, you sure will be after.
You stupid cunt a 14 year olds brain is a lot easier to fuck up than an 18-20 yr olds and i bet you don't smoke shit 7 nights a week you stupid arse. My nephew dosnt suffer from classic depression you twat he is boarder line bipolar. Like i said you would deny it as you are removed from the present day reality. You are a user but you do not see the effects of skunk on young people. My nieces boy friend is 30 and has lost a high paying job because of short term memory loose due to smoking skunk. Only a brain dead cunt would think that skunk (which is today run of the mill)was the same as the shit you started smoking when you were 20. Cunts like you dismiss anecdotal evidence only when it suits them.
"a 14 year olds brain is a lot easier to fuck up than an 18-20 yr olds"
You're pulling that out of your arse.
"My nephew dosnt suffer from classic depression you twat he is boarder line bipolar."
You didn't actually read what I wrote, did you? No surprise there. Anyway, "borderline bipolar" is precisely the kind of diagnosis I am discussing here. It's fucking nonsense, of course. And a psychiatrist will probably diagnose him shit that will push him over the edge.
"My nieces boy friend is 30 and has lost a high paying job because of short term memory loose due to smoking skunk."
LMFAO. Yeah right.
I didn't say skunk was the same as the shit I started smoking when I was 20. It's miles better.
Cunts like me dismiss anecdotal evidence because cunts like you think it trumps science. Never has, never will.
psychiatrist will prescribe, I meant to write.
Medicine never has been and never will be a precise science (ask any doctor)ask any decent doctor about the value of anecdotal evidence and he will say that theres a lot of value in it. The BNF is full of Anecdotal evidence gleaned from drug trials.
"a 14 year olds brain is a lot easier to fuck up than an 18-20 yr olds"
You're pulling that out of your arse.
No if you knew anything about Drugs both prescription and illegal you would know that a developing brain is indeed much more susceptible to to there effect and easier to damage than an adults brain. During adolescent's the brain goes through major physiological changes its a time when, major wiring occurs, many drugs can and do have serve adverse effects on this wiring. The effects on young adults is only now becoming apparent.
You will no doubt continue to believe that you are correct, and no amount of evidence would sway you opinion because it doesn't suit your position. You would also dismiss any evidence as being agenda based.
If you knew anything about medicine, you'd know that there has been a huge shift away from "anecdotal evidence" towards, erm, evidence.
Since when was an 18yo brain not "developing"?
I dismiss your position as "agenda based" because it's agenda based. No other reason. I don't subsist on wishful thinking. If there was evidence that cannabis was harmful, I'd accept it. I have no problem with science.
What I do have a problem with is wowsers who want to ban others' innocent pleasures on the basis of "anecdotal evidence". Too often, they are convinced that something *must* be harmful, and no amount of evidence otherwise can unconvince them of that. Funnily enough, all of those wowsers have fucked-up nephews, or know a guy who knew a guy who...
I don't want it banned. Banning things never works.
The evidence is out there if you look.
Through Adolescence the Brain goes through a major wiring process that is completed at around 20yrs. Skunk affects this wiring process. Kids start smoking at at around 12, and its only now that the numbers of young adults are beginning to present with mental health issues in increasing numbers. You are a fucking arsehole reading and hearing reports on these issues and actually knowing people affected is strong anecdotal evidence.
Perhaps you should examine you own mental health issues and reflect a little on its cause and factors related to it. Unfortunately the weed has probably denied you the ability to be objective. Hey you are never the problem its away some one else!!!
By the way i deal with doctors on an almost weekly basis in a fast changing and dynamic field of medicine and they are basing treatments on anecdotal evidence all the time because its the most up to date evidence, and they realise that medicine not being a precise science does not/must not revolve around statisticaly proven models to be correct. Its people like you that use the lack of statisticaly proven evidence to claim you are correct yet in the same breath would deny evidence that conflicts with you own opinion.
You are as bad as the holocaust deniers you claim to hate.
Buy the way there is evidence that suggests that the figure of 6 million is an exaggeration but you would dismiss the evidence out of hand.
"Through Adolescence the Brain goes through a major wiring process that is completed at around 20yrs."
You're backpedalling on the 14/8 thing then, Gunt. Like I said, you were pulling that out of your arse.
"You are a fucking arsehole reading and hearing reports on these issues and actually knowing people affected is strong anecdotal evidence."
You're not getting the point. "Anecdotal evidence" is worthless in the scales with evidence.
"they are basing treatments on anecdotal evidence all the time because its the most up to date evidence"
You are making this shit up. EBM has swept this bullshit away. Now doctors actually care about what works.
"Its people like you that use the lack of statisticaly proven evidence to claim you are correct yet in the same breath would deny evidence that conflicts with you own opinion."
'People like you use there being no evidence to claim you are correct when arguing with people like me who heard it from someone in the pub'
Well yes, we do. That's science. You and the moral panic merchants rely on "anecdotal evidence" because the actual evidence does not back up your thesis. A rational man would simply give up the thesis, but no one's accusing you of rationality.
"You are as bad as the holocaust deniers you claim to hate."
The Holocaust deniers make their denials in the face of empirical evidence, Gunt.
"Buy the way there is evidence that suggests that the figure of 6 million is an exaggeration but you would dismiss the evidence out of hand."
You're fucking right I would. Six million people disappeared. Maybe they got on a rocket to Mars, Gunt. But until you show me the video, I'm going to believe they were killed by Nazis.
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